Lightning II
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Agree, and even then it'll probably be 20 years from now once that happens.
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Agree, and even then it'll probably be 20 years from now once that happens.
If you want to make money buying cars, you part them out, not the inverse. People who think they are going to buy cars and make money are fools. Even if they do make some money, they are tying up too much and making too little. Buying wrecked cars and parting them out is where it's at. If it wasn't, insurance companies wouldn't be buying millions of wrecked cars. They know WTF they are doing
Oldiron440
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I have my doubts, California said a few months ago that no new gas power vehicle's will be sold in the state after 2035, GM just said this week they will only produce electric vehicles after 2035. So I think our hobbys days are numbered unless you want a museum piece.
I wouldn't be so sure - sure, it's a possibility. Just keep in mind promises made that far in advance serve the function of placating people in the now while those making them won't be in a position of accountability should they fail to come to fruition.
Lightning II
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I’m just hoping full-synthetic fuel becomes more of a thing.
Oldiron440
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2035 is only 14 years from now, given the average age of a vehicle on the road now is 11 years I'd say that about 2050 the gas powered vehicles will be dead.
7T8 Custom
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We will just have to convert to a Mr. Fusion drive and keep driving our old cars anyway.
So where are all of the batteries for all of these cars supposed to come from? All of the lithium? How about all of the water to mine and process the lithium? The carbon emissions from all of the electricity we are going to have to produce to charge them all will probably be double what all of the gasoline engines are emitting right now. And what about long trips? Is our power grid going to be able to handle charging all of this stuff? They are dreaming. These idiots will ruin the economy.
My guess would be that by 2035 we will be eating dalmation meat with chopsticks and speaking chinese, but I could be wong. My ride will be a rickshaw with 15 inch Cragar SS's, but that's just how I roll, Gusan
Oldiron440
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There's little doubt that times are changing and I don't think it will matter if we want them to or not. Ford has the new electric Mustang and GM the electric Hummer witch may seam like gimmicks now but I'm positive there not for Ford and GM.
Mikes5thAve
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Kramer79
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Tesla is too rich for my blood - but a nice guy up the street for me got one and let me ride and drive it... quiet - but the fastest car I have ever driven... instant on power is crazy... I prefer old but no doubt the future... think of all the maintenance we perform in the gas engines in our homes, mower snowblower etc... then think of the last time you worked on taking care of the electric motors in your house...
Mikes5thAve
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I'm thinking of the batteries that go, the electronics that will probably be iffy by the time they're the age I usually buy my cars at.
A friend of mine has one. Cool to drive. Not so cool when it died twice and it was gone for weeks to be fixed.
A friend of mine has one. Cool to drive. Not so cool when it died twice and it was gone for weeks to be fixed.
Lightning II
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They're working on all that. Batteries are switching to a new battery called a Solid-State. I'm still looking that up to find out what it is. I think they're trying to get away from lithium? Carbon stuff, I do agree, but they're working on replacements for that. Long Trips, they're making quick-charging stations, supposed to charge a 350-mile-capable car in about 5 minutes or so.
Nothing is instant, things take time. Look at how long it took us to get reliable 300-hp street cars that can run for 100k miles at a time.
Don't forget: the 350 mile trip is with A/C, headlights and radio off (and/or heater/defrost off). You turn those on and you might net 130 miles before needing a fill up.
Hum, a 5-minute top off - which would be cool. Today's electric cars take about 45-60 minutes to get to about 85% full. Get to a station with people in front of you - then 1.5 to 2 hours (or so). With gas, 10 minutes (or 15 with a potty break) to fill up and you are off (...if you don't have kids/teenagers...).
Don't get me talking about Tesla (which is a bunch of rip-offs, for a different reason).
BudW
Hum, a 5-minute top off - which would be cool. Today's electric cars take about 45-60 minutes to get to about 85% full. Get to a station with people in front of you - then 1.5 to 2 hours (or so). With gas, 10 minutes (or 15 with a potty break) to fill up and you are off (...if you don't have kids/teenagers...).
Don't get me talking about Tesla (which is a bunch of rip-offs, for a different reason).
BudW
Kramer79
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I used to pass, it wasn’t hard, a guy almost weekly for years on my way to work, In the winter he had a blanket over his coat hat scarf in his Nissan Leaf to save batteries
Lightning II
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True, but they're getting better. And I'll agree about Tesla, but for a different reason. They really needed to disable ALL of it's Auto-pilot software until they had absolutely perfected it, because people are stupid.
Those cars were garbage. They lacked proper thermal management for the battery packs and battery life and range suffered greatly for it. This was something Tesla learned from and solved.
EV is coming whether we like it or not. There are already rudimentary electric crate motors designed to replace their ICE counterparts. Hot rodding isn't going to die, but it will change.
Aspen500
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Just where is all this electricity supposed to come from? The socialist state of California can't keep up with current (no pun intended) electricity demand today, much less with millions of cars plugged in to the grid. There's maybe 2 electric cars in this area and one is a Tesla. The guy that owns it also has a normal car he brings into the shop at work. He said that on a zero degree day, with the heat cranked, headlamps on, etc., his range is approximately 60 miles on a full charge if he's lucky and,,,,,,his home electric bill has almost doubled since he bought it. He told me that honestly, he's sorry he bought the thing. Then there's the electric cars bursting into flames in the middle of the night when something goes wrong with the Lithium Ion battery pack. When they do ignite, it's pretty much the same type of fire as thermite. Right now Chevy and the NTHSB recommend owners of the Bolt to park the cars outdoors, away from any structures to reduce the likelihood of burning their houses to the ground. I suppose you've figured out my opinion on electric cars
One thing they never seem to mention is, it takes more energy and makes more pollution to mine and ship the lithium for batteries, and then at the end of the life, to recycle the batteries than a gas powered car does during it's life, starting with raw materials to scrap years later. Of course, they can't be bothered with details.
BTW, how did a 440 wagon turn into a debate on electric cars? Weird how that happens, isn't it?
One thing they never seem to mention is, it takes more energy and makes more pollution to mine and ship the lithium for batteries, and then at the end of the life, to recycle the batteries than a gas powered car does during it's life, starting with raw materials to scrap years later. Of course, they can't be bothered with details.BTW, how did a 440 wagon turn into a debate on electric cars? Weird how that happens, isn't it?
Lightning II
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Just where is all this electricity supposed to come from? The socialist state of California can't keep up with current (no pun intended) electricity demand today, much less with millions of cars plugged in to the grid. There's maybe 2 electric cars in this area and one is a Tesla. The guy that owns it also has a normal car he brings into the shop at work. He said that on a zero degree day, with the heat cranked, headlamps on, etc., his range is approximately 60 miles on a full charge if he's lucky and,,,,,,his home electric bill has almost doubled since he bought it. He told me that honestly, he's sorry he bought the thing. Then there's the electric cars bursting into flames in the middle of the night when something goes wrong with the Lithium Ion battery pack. When they do ignite, it's pretty much the same type of fire as thermite. Right now Chevy and the NTHSB recommend owners of the Bolt to park the cars outdoors, away from any structures to reduce the likelihood of burning their houses to the ground. I suppose you've figured out my opinion on electric cars
BTW, how did a 440 wagon turn into a debate on electric cars? Weird how that happens, isn't it?
it’s just like any other tech; R&D, testing, and time. Scientists will find more efficient ways of generating and storing energy, city power grids included. Electric cars are just as old as gasoline & diesel cars, except the majority of the funding has been to combustion engines. Now we’re seeing a shift in the priorities of where the budgets go.
