1980 Lebaron horn
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F body Deconstructor Jim
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general location is in front of the core support
F's were on the center latch support
80F:
F's were on the center latch support
80F:
The horns are in same location for all FMJ vehicles. All FMJ’s come standard with one horn and it is an option for the second horns (a Low and High pitch one). I believe the High pitched one comes standard (but might be the Low one, i can't remember).
It is not hard to add the second horn if your car only came with one. There is a short jumper wire (looks like a “Y”) as well as obtaining the other side horn. Using F body Deconstructor Jim’s picture (thank you!), which this appears to be from an ’80 F body, the Horn on driver’s side is the one all FMJ’s come with, sandard (blue circle).
The horn on passenger side (red circle), the optional one.
The yellow box is the “Y” harness that connects to both horns. The white arrow connector either connects to driver’s side horn or to the “Y” harness. A person can make a harness or even splice right into the green wire as a tap for other horn (be sure to use a good watertight connector) – if needed.
Most Fifth Ave’s come with both horns standard. Everything else “it depends”.
If you notice, the High and Low horns are twisted in different directions and are stamped “HI” or “LO”.
The “non-Road Runner” horn part numbers are:
2808868 – Low
2808869 – High
I haven’t been able to find a part number on the “Y” harness.
The Road Runners have a “Beep Beep” single horn and is, for the most part, different.
Note: for a daily driven car, I do recommend adding the second horn.
For cars with limited use, a single horn should work fine – after all how many times does a person use the horn? (No need to answer that rhetorical question).
Getting back to original question:
There are three main trouble areas for inoperative horns: bad horn, bad horn relay or a bad switch.
I would assume the horn switch is new – so doubtful that is the problem. Missing horns can be a problem. A bad or missing horn relay is also an issue.
I scanned these pictures from my ’86 FSM (Factory Service Manual) which came out as PDF files. Poor quality scans (sorry). These pictures should either match your car or come pretty close.
I can attach the PDF files if you want to see them – but for convenience, I converted them to JPG’s for you and attached.
The horn contact wire (after it leaves the steering wheel) is part of the turn signal switch (and t/s switch wiring).
The horn relay is in the fuse box.
I hope this helps,
BudW
It is not hard to add the second horn if your car only came with one. There is a short jumper wire (looks like a “Y”) as well as obtaining the other side horn. Using F body Deconstructor Jim’s picture (thank you!), which this appears to be from an ’80 F body, the Horn on driver’s side is the one all FMJ’s come with, sandard (blue circle).
The horn on passenger side (red circle), the optional one.
The yellow box is the “Y” harness that connects to both horns. The white arrow connector either connects to driver’s side horn or to the “Y” harness. A person can make a harness or even splice right into the green wire as a tap for other horn (be sure to use a good watertight connector) – if needed.
Most Fifth Ave’s come with both horns standard. Everything else “it depends”.
If you notice, the High and Low horns are twisted in different directions and are stamped “HI” or “LO”.
The “non-Road Runner” horn part numbers are:
2808868 – Low
2808869 – High
I haven’t been able to find a part number on the “Y” harness.
The Road Runners have a “Beep Beep” single horn and is, for the most part, different.
Note: for a daily driven car, I do recommend adding the second horn.
For cars with limited use, a single horn should work fine – after all how many times does a person use the horn? (No need to answer that rhetorical question).
Getting back to original question:
There are three main trouble areas for inoperative horns: bad horn, bad horn relay or a bad switch.
I would assume the horn switch is new – so doubtful that is the problem. Missing horns can be a problem. A bad or missing horn relay is also an issue.
I scanned these pictures from my ’86 FSM (Factory Service Manual) which came out as PDF files. Poor quality scans (sorry). These pictures should either match your car or come pretty close.
I can attach the PDF files if you want to see them – but for convenience, I converted them to JPG’s for you and attached.
The horn contact wire (after it leaves the steering wheel) is part of the turn signal switch (and t/s switch wiring).
The horn relay is in the fuse box.
I hope this helps,
BudW
shu-man
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Thank you
Aspen500
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Sort of off topic, sort of on topic. I rarely use the horn in any vehicle but on the Aspen, which had a single horn, I found low, mid and high tone horns and built a "factory" jumper harness. The horns are mounted inside the front bumper using existing holes in the back lip of the bumper. With 3 notes, it sounds sort of like the old Buick's or Cadillac's. They had 4 horns but who's counting?
shu-man
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Thank you everyone. I finally got the wiring figured out thanks to all of you. Just need to find a set of horns.
Aftermarket horns will work, if wanted.
The factory horns (the part numbers I listed above) fit a wide range of Chrysler products (everything from ‘68ish to early ‘90’s – except for Road Runners). It might even work for Chryslers older than '68 (I've not looked that far back).
The newer Chryslers went from a single wire pigtail to a double wire pigtail. If you find a newer Chrysler with horns that you can acquire, try to get a short section of the wiring pigtails as well. The second wire (black) goes to ground instead of horn grounding through the mounting bolt.
My opinion, I prefer the ’60-70’s horns for I “feel” they are louder than the newer ones are – but have no data to back that up.
That said, I’m also fond of the Road Runner “beep beep” horns as well . . .
BudW
The factory horns (the part numbers I listed above) fit a wide range of Chrysler products (everything from ‘68ish to early ‘90’s – except for Road Runners). It might even work for Chryslers older than '68 (I've not looked that far back).
The newer Chryslers went from a single wire pigtail to a double wire pigtail. If you find a newer Chrysler with horns that you can acquire, try to get a short section of the wiring pigtails as well. The second wire (black) goes to ground instead of horn grounding through the mounting bolt.
My opinion, I prefer the ’60-70’s horns for I “feel” they are louder than the newer ones are – but have no data to back that up.
That said, I’m also fond of the Road Runner “beep beep” horns as well . . .
BudW
F body Deconstructor Jim
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Thank you Bud!
as usual, awesome info.
I should have a few good F horns if your interested shu-man.
as usual, awesome info.
I should have a few good F horns if your interested shu-man.
shu-man
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Sent you a message
ZieglerSpeed
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On my F,M,J, body cars over the years I've had terrible luck with horns. They last 10 minutes for me and 100 percent it was a bad horn
