1979 valore 318 magnum wiring

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Just now getting into the heart of this wiring. I did a 5.3 in a 65 chevy pickup before. IT wasn't hard to find the pinouts for the ECU, it seems as the guys in the know want to keep it to themselves, finally found it and getting into the spaghetti stuff now. I get to rebuild the front end and have an 8.8 with 373 posi to go under the rear.
 

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Welcome!

I have a couple of questions for you:
Is the 318 Magnum going to be carbureted or fuel injected?

What engine did your Duster have in it beforehand (and carburetor type)?

Does (or did) your car have Lean Burn on it, or not?

Do you need anything else (knowledge wise) to get this project done?
BudW (in Oklahoma City).
 

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Hi Bud, Thanks for responding. I want to wire the efi. I have a 318 magnum with the 714 heads and 518 transmission out of a 1994 dodge 1500. The compression checked good varying 20 psi.The duster came from factory with 318 auto, it was missing when I bought the car. I have the manuals for the Duster. I'm still trying to get the 318's wiring sorted out and run it on the ground. I have the computer pinout chart and sorting wires. If I have questions, I'll send you a note.
 

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A couple of details that you may want to know.

Your Duster came with a 998 or 999 transmission (904/998/999 are externally the same transmission – but there are some internal differences).

It would be very rare if your car came with a 727 (would have to be a special order car to have one). For most 318’s (even Magnums), there is nothing wrong with using a 904/998/999 transmission and would be recommended to use over a 727 – unless you are planning an extreme horsepower build.

The 518 is a variation of 727 (basically a 727 with overdrive).
There is also a 500 transmission – which is a variation of 904/998/999 transmission but with overdrive. Again, if a person is considering installing an overdrive transmission, the a500 would be a better for most 318’s over an a518 – but, if you already have the 518, then why not use it.

The floor pan will need to be modified as well as the transmission crossmember for the back half of transmission (either a500 or a518) will want to occupy the same space as the floor pan as well as the crossmember.
The transmission mount is located further back on the A500/518, as well.

If you want to go through the floorpan/crossmember modifications, then there are a couple of web sites that can help with the electrical aspect.
If you don’t want to cut up your floor pan, then you might want to think of different options.

The floor pan will need to be cut open and a few inches (6 or 9”, I can’t remember) will need to be added to make trans tunnel big enough for the Overdrive section to fit.

Chrysler never did install an automatic overdrive in an FMJ car (but should have, as well as fuel injection, etc.).


I am highly considering installing either a 5-speed Tremec or 6-speed Magnum manual transmission into my ’77 Volare wagon, and I will have to do the same thing to it, as well (make or modify the transmission crossmember and cut the floor pan and add metal to it, to make either one fit).
The 6-speed is a beast of a transmission (and with 2-overdrives).
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I have a set of ’94 pickup FSM’s (Factory Service Manuals) that will have the pinouts you are looking for.

A dozen years ago, I had a ’94 3/4ton diesel pickup with the 47RH transmission (same externally as the A518). I totaled the truck and replaced it with a ’97 3/4ton diesel pickup – but this time with a NV4500HD.
I’m so much happier now (with a manual transmission).
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Hey Bud, I got the engine running today, I overlooked the wire(hot) going to the computer for the ASD, hooked it up and it fired right up. I would like the pinouts for the white, gray and black ( guessing) connectors coming from engine to the car wiring harness. Also would like the wiring diagram for the under hood fuse panel. I may try to use it for the fuel pump and headlight relays as well as for fuses for engine. Thanks for your mental support.
 

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From my '94 Ram Truck FSM
 

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Bud, Thank you, That will help a lot when I get to that point. Wiring can be intimidating, but with patience, I can do it. I've been looking around for exhaust manifolds. Some say the truck manifolds will hit the firewall. I read that the left Jeep manifold will work, It dumps between the third and fourth cylinders. I've got the 360 mid-sump oil pan and pickup ready to be installed. I will be looking for a auto shifter that will work on my application. Have a great weekend. Billy
 

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Bud, Thank you, That will help a lot when I get to that point. Wiring can be intimidating, but with patience, I can do it. I've been looking around for exhaust manifolds. Some say the truck manifolds will hit the firewall. I read that the left Jeep manifold will work, It dumps between the third and fourth cylinders. I've got the 360 mid-sump oil pan and pickup ready to be installed. I will be looking for a auto shifter that will work on my application. Have a great weekend. Billy

If you find out the answer on those manifolds, do take a pic and let us know. That question has been bugging me forever.
 

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Pickup Magnum exhaust manifolds to exit behind the last cylinder. I hadn’t confirmed that they want to occupy the same space of firewall, or not – but by the looks of it, I can believe it.
94-03 Mag Tr Rt ExM.jpg

94-03 Mag Tr Lt ExM.jpg

Pics swiped from RockAuto
5.2 Mag Tr Rt Lt.jpg

Pic swiped from eBay

Jeep Magnum exhaust manifolds to exit between the last two cylinders (Left side) and under last cylinder (Right side) and would be a much better fit.
95 GC 5.2L Rt ExM.JPG


93-98 GC Lt ExM.jpg

pics borrowed fro eBay.

Notes:
The passenger side Magnum manifold (either Jeep or pickup) will not have the heat riser flap on it.
If you are going fuel injected – that will not be a problem. Carbureted vehicles do need that flap for cold drivability.

The driver’s side Magnum manifold does not have a provision for the heat stove. One can be fabricated but that will take work. Again, if you are going fuel injected, that will not matter (or live in an area that rarely goes below freezing.

The early Magnum exhaust manifolds have a larger outlet size than later ones have (for some reason).

Most Right side manifolds have a fitting for EGR (but not all do). If you get one with that fitting, you can fabricate a piece of steel to cover that hole, using the two bolt holes already provided.

Most (if not all) Magnum exhaust manifolds are being repop’ed – so finding new ones is not a problem. Even so, cheap used ones are out there.
I purchased a Left Grand Cherokee manifold, casting number 53009477, for $13.75 (US) on eBay, and that included freight, a couple of years ago.

There are 3 different Grand Cherokee manifold part numbers to look for:
53009378 ‘93-95 Right
53009379 ‘93-98 Left (casting number is 53009477)
53050869 ‘96-98 Right

The pickups, vans, Durango’s and Dakotas have the rear outlet (and most likely will not fit an FMJ)
53006620 92-93 Right Pickup & Van
53006621 92-93 Left Pickup & Van

53010188 94-95 Right Pickup, Van and Dakota
53010189 94-03 Left Pickup, Van and Dakota
53030873 96-03 Right Pickup, Van and Dakota (small outlet)

Note: I do not recall how the 92-93 pickup manifolds look, or outlet design. The pre-magnum exhaust manifolds for that body style pickups for this engine, were both center exit – but I recall these looking something like the 94 and newer pickup versions.
I found this picture during a Google search – but not sure if a correct picture, or not (looks more like Jeep design).
92-93 Mag ExM.jpg



Other options would be M-body 318 police exhaust manifolds (I have been looking for a pair for a couple of years now – to no avail)

The next to best option is the ’68-71 340 exhaust manifolds (which flow about the same as the Magnums do). The Left side goes up and over the steering gear. The Right side looks as close to a header you can make (out of cast iron).
ae340.png

I happen to have a Left ’70 340 A-body exhaust manifold (cast number 2863553) for sale, if interested

Personally, I prefer cast iron because they are quieter and do not require the maintaince headers require (as well as busted knuckles, etc. installing headers).

I will be looking for a auto shifter that will work on my application.
Was your vehicle an automatic, to begin with (but missing parts)?

BudW
 

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It was automatic from factory but shifter items were stripped off it I was thinking of going with a floor shifter and later find/adapt a console for it. I have a set of 60(driver) 40 bucket seats for it but will probable find regular buckets for it.
 

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I have a set of these (re-pop) manifolds I want to install into my car (’62-64 Max Wedge) when I install the big block – but I don’t think they will fit.
Max Wedge ExM.jpg

Note: the manifold exits are slightly bigger than 3” in diameter.
BudW
 
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