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Old direct drive type. Big, heavy and requires moving the exhaust.
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That is more than 17 pounds.
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Here is my re-purposed one from my other engine- half the size as the old one.
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And just over 10 pounds.

So the new one is almost 7 pounds lighter and spins faster at less the current draw. WIN WIN WIN
 
I have one of those. It's a Denso. I bought it as a backup. Apparently they work great. The only thing you'll miss is that beautiful Chrysler starter sound......which I love by the way. :D
 
Captain Caravelle said:
I have one of those. It's a Denso. I bought it as a backup. Apparently they work great. The only thing you'll miss is that beautiful Chrysler starter sound......which I love by the way. :D
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I run on in my DD with the MSD box and works great.
Yep, I do like the sound from a Chrysler starter though.
 
That's what I run also. Originally had a stock style mini starter (1st pic) but it did NOT like hot restarts at all. replaced it with a Powermaster XS Torque and problem solved.
I do miss the classic Chrysler sound though.

Yeah I know, the header is all scratched up. It happens.................
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Back in the day you could tell a Mopar starting from across a parking lot. I miss that sound. I upgraded Darth Car to the mini starter, and like those easy starts on the cold mornings, when the battery is low.
 
I wondered if the mini starters sounded the same. I love the sound of the Chrysler reduction starter too. I can remember that distinct sound from as far back as when I was a young boy, and the neighbor had a '57 Plymouth Belvedere that didn't like to cold start in the morning. It would play out an extended concert of that great sound, over and over, until it finally rumbled to life and he was off to work. I think the loss of that sound would be enough for me to not make the switch. My friend has a '93 Dodge pickup with a 318 Magnum in it, and it has a slightly different, but still distinctly Chrysler sound to it. Sounds great!
 
old yellow 78 said:
I wondered if the mini starters sounded the same. I love the sound of the Chrysler reduction starter too. I can remember that distinct sound from as far back as when I was a young boy, and the neighbor had a '57 Plymouth Belvedere that didn't like to cold start in the morning. It would play out an extended concert of that great sound, over and over, until it finally rumbled to life and he was off to work. I think the loss of that sound would be enough for me to not make the switch. My friend has a '93 Dodge pickup with a 318 Magnum in it, and it has a slightly different, but still distinctly Chrysler sound to it. Sounds great!
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The Denso's do sound different.
I love the sound of an old stock Chrysler starter. But those mini's come in real handy when dealing with headers and they do a great job.
 
Captain Caravelle said:
I have one of those. It's a Denso. I bought it as a backup. Apparently they work great. The only thing you'll miss is that beautiful Chrysler starter sound......which I love by the way. :D
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Got to love that old Chrysler starter sound spinning a big block to life.
 
I've moved to the new starter in my coupe right from the start...yeah, I'm with you guys...sometimes I miss that sound...but you can't beat the speed of the new one...
 
Just picking nits here......OY, are you sure it was a '57 Plymouth? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the classic Mopar gear reduction starter didn't come out until 1962. Before that they were direct drive with a remote mount solenoid. As I said, picking nits only.;)
 
Aspen500 said:
Just picking nits here......OY, are you sure it was a '57 Plymouth? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the classic Mopar gear reduction starter didn't come out until 1962. Before that they were direct drive with a remote mount solenoid. As I said, picking nits only.;)
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I'm a stickler for the correct facts myself too.
 
Aspen500 said:
Just picking nits here......OY, are you sure it was a '57 Plymouth? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the classic Mopar gear reduction starter didn't come out until 1962. Before that they were direct drive with a remote mount solenoid. As I said, picking nits only.;)
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I'm positive that it was a '57 Belvedere. But you make a good point. It may very well have not been a gear reduction starter, but it DID make a very distinctive whining "Plymouth sound." If the gear reduction starters came out in '62, then there is no way that it could have been one, even if it had been a replacement, as this would have been at the very latest in 1961, because that is when we moved. However, I was using the term "gear reduction starter" because I assumed that is what made that distinctive mopar sound. If it wasn't due to the "gear reduction" starter specifically, it was due to something else Mopar used for their starters that was undeniably Plymouth sounding.
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I'm a stickler for the correct facts myself too.
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Ok, I found an example of it. This is a clip of a '58 Plymouth, not a '57, but it is the same sound that I remember. Different from that of a Ford, or of my parents Buick at the time. I had remembered it these many years later as more the sound of the "gear reduction", but give me a break, I was only about 5 at the time!
 
It is the gear reduction, specifically the straight cut reduction gears that made (makes) the distinctive Mopar sound. If you notice, the new permanent magnet starters (a.k.a. mini-starter) have sort of the same sound, just a higher frequency. They are all gear reduction also. Wonder if the ring gear being on the converter has anything to do with the sound. No idea if a '58 was built that way or had the ring gear on the flex plate. Of course, that theory goes out the window if the car's a manual............

I could always pick out a GM starting because of the tinny sound, or a lot of times the screeeeeech, screeeeeeech, whir-whir-whir once the gears finally mesh, lol!
 
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