One point I am driving at is, that these are not that reliable, nor fuel efficient, nor return on investment. I've explained how "trade in value" works and it never "works" for the consumer, since a crap box kia is still a kia in 3 years, in 5 years, and junked in 12 years. No dealer wants to do anyone a favor a collect your trashed kia in 3 or 5 of x number of years. If leased, you have to carry additional insurance to protect the lease company. At the end of the lease you have nothing. So called smart people cannot be reasoned with. All these kias and hundias are a form of litter. I mean this is right on the banks of the Delaware River. So all these crappy cars will litter the earth much sooner than any FMJ. We know this to be true, since our cars are harder and harder to find in any junk yard. when we find any or parts for an FMJ mopar, we get a rush like no other. In 30 years, no one is going to do backflips when they find a 2015 kia or hundia.