Borgeson steering.

Chassis, Suspension and wheels

  1. MBDale

    MBDale Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    72
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2015
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
    I’m seriously thinking of picking up a Borgeson Steering unit for my 1979 RT. Anybody have any experience? Thoughts? Ideas?
     
  2. Duke5A

    Duke5A Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    165
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2018
    Location:
    Michigan
    I have one in my 1987 and my Dad has one in his 1980. Gets rid of the slop at 12 o'clock, tighter, faster ratio, physically smaller and lighter. Get it through Bergman Autocraft and purchase his column adapter as it makes the installation a lot easier.

    Dad's car turned out excellent. His power steering pump seems to be perfectly matched to the box with two shims in the pressure valve. My car has a more boosted feeling to it with the same two shims. There were so many combinations of Saginaw power steering pumps in flow and pressure outputs it isn't funny. I may go back to Borgeson in the Spring and get one of their pumps as opposed to the POS reman unit I got at the parts store.

    Overall it's a really worthwhile upgrade. Pricey, but worth it.
     
  3. MBDale

    MBDale Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    72
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2015
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
    Thanks for the reply. What sector shaft size do I go with?
     
  4. Duke5A

    Duke5A Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    165
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2018
    Location:
    Michigan
    Larger of the two. Mopar went to a larger sector on all steering boxes sometime in the mid 70s.
     
  5. volare 77

    volare 77 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    141
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Location:
    maryland
    Yes, My 73 Charger had the larger shaft.
     
  6. MBDale

    MBDale Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    72
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2015
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
    Larger it is. I’m ordering this set up when I get home. Thanks guys!!
     
  7. Duke5A

    Duke5A Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    165
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2018
    Location:
    Michigan
    Here, I almost forgot, you need to check this out:



    This isn't the box, but the K frame flexing. It probably did this with the factory box too, but I never had a reason to stick my head under the hood before to see. I noticed this after installing the new box and just doing a general look over. The stiffen the mount points up on the K I had to weld a plate on the backside where the box mounts.
     
    4speedjim likes this.
  8. AJ/FormS

    AJ/FormS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,025
    Likes Received:
    218
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2016
    Location:
    On the Circle of the earth, Southern Man,Canada
    oooo-leeee
     
  9. BudW

    BudW Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    3,814
    Likes Received:
    1003
    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2012
    Location:
    Oklahoma City
    I have one FFI steering gear in my garage (been in the box for about three years now). The steering gear in my ’86 leaks fluid bad – but, just not ready to change it out, yet (mumbles something about the three cats in the way ...).

    That said – I am impressed with the Borgeson steering gear and do want to get one for my other car.
    It is just the cost of the (Borgeson) gear, adaptor and hoses ($864 - all figures are US), plus FFI torsion bars ($695) and a pair of FFI sway bars ($790) which is preventing me, so far.
    http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1757&cat=143&page=1
    http://www.firmfeel.com/fmj_body_mopar_torsion_bars.html
    http://www.firmfeel.com/fmj_body_mopar_front_sway_bar.html


    As far as Duke5A video goes, FFI has a fix for that: http://www.firmfeel.com/a_body_mopar_sector_support_kit.html - but not one that directly fits FMJ K-frames.
    a1_body_sector_support_kit_2.jpg

    I have a similar system on my Dodge pickup that looks like this:
    1782_4294.jpg
    On the full-size pickups, the lower gear bushing wears out causing a fluid leak – but more importantly, the loose bushing/shaft causes a “death wobble” at highway speeds, which is quite scary . . . correction, extremely scary.
    After installing the above setup on my pickup (and a replacement gear) – all problems went away and it feels so much better taking tight turns now. The large bracket (pickup) is HUGE and must weigh 25-30 pounds.
    The bearing and gear adaptor/nut is the same one they are using on the FFI kit.

    I want to get the FFI sector shaft stabilizer kit (part number SSK) and make it fit on my two vehicles – as well as weld up/reinforce the crap out of my K-frames, when I get to that point.
    BudW
     
  10. MBDale

    MBDale Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    284
    Likes Received:
    72
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2015
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
     
  11. 4speedjim

    4speedjim Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    449
    Likes Received:
    74
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2016
    Location:
    Portland NY
    OMG Thats scary! 84furyus is trying to find headers that will fit his car with required PS. What headers and how much extra room did that box give you. I know its a vague question, just trying to help him out.
     
    84Furyus likes this.