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XfbodyX
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If you look at the web as a bunch of roads, there are dirt roads and super highways and all in between. Google is the most complicated of all with amazon servers second.
Traffic and loads and background traffic your isp will at times let run through are factors as well.
My point is there are so many factors at play seen and unseen.
What OS are you using? There are many commands you can run to clear some of your own settings?
Is your router semi old? Whens the last time you have unplugged and rebooted it?
All of us have experienced this or that with a web site or another and as ive watched your issues over time its pretty easy to surmise it may be a issue with your pc, or how your isp runs things and the routes they allow or dont allow.
If you reboot your router that will reset you ip address and if you tell what OS your running we could suggest some commands you could run to clear some of the other things that might things easier for you.
This is one of the most basic but helpful for some with any windows os.
Just open a CMD page as admin and run this ipconfig /flushdns if your trying to connect through a closed road this will open up a fresh path.
Are you running any add ons on chrome and if so which ones?
You could also use google and input like... My windows 7 is running so slow
Just be careful on the sources you are looking at and make sure its a trustworthy site.
Here is the simple dns flush.
Traffic and loads and background traffic your isp will at times let run through are factors as well.
My point is there are so many factors at play seen and unseen.
What OS are you using? There are many commands you can run to clear some of your own settings?
Is your router semi old? Whens the last time you have unplugged and rebooted it?
All of us have experienced this or that with a web site or another and as ive watched your issues over time its pretty easy to surmise it may be a issue with your pc, or how your isp runs things and the routes they allow or dont allow.
If you reboot your router that will reset you ip address and if you tell what OS your running we could suggest some commands you could run to clear some of the other things that might things easier for you.
This is one of the most basic but helpful for some with any windows os.
Just open a CMD page as admin and run this ipconfig /flushdns if your trying to connect through a closed road this will open up a fresh path.
Are you running any add ons on chrome and if so which ones?
You could also use google and input like... My windows 7 is running so slow
Just be careful on the sources you are looking at and make sure its a trustworthy site.
Here is the simple dns flush.
Shorty Thompson
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No habla geek talk. I have no clue as to what your talking about.
Shorty Thompson
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My grandson talks PC , I'll have him look at what your talking about and see what he says.
Shorty Thompson
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Knock on wood , so far we're staying logged in. Dunno what happened . I didn't change anything.
hard to say --
Shorty Thompson
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Oh I agree! Just 1 more weird coincidence
Hayzoos
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I have the login issues every time I visit. I have a degree in computer science and over 40 years experience. I always use a fresh profile and clean cache when using the web. I also use Linux, Firefox, Chromium, Lynx and have verified the issue across all browsers. After enough times logging in, I apparently am fully authenticated eventually. But since I use a clean slate each session, it repeats every new session.
There is an authentication issue with the website. Most recently, I even received a prompt to login to facebook to continue. That is not possible, seeing as I do not have a facebook account. I believe the authentication mechanism is overly complex, involving too many hosts, and relying too much on client state.
There is an authentication issue with the website. Most recently, I even received a prompt to login to facebook to continue. That is not possible, seeing as I do not have a facebook account. I believe the authentication mechanism is overly complex, involving too many hosts, and relying too much on client state.
and yet the vast majority of members have no issue...
Hayzoos
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While it may work just fine most of the time for Windows using Edge (which is now using the Chromium engine), it does show signs of tenuous stability. The complexity I am referring to is not in the configuration as admin would see, but in the coding behind the configuration the responsibility of developers. The collection of software I am using to view the forum site is written to the same web standards that Windows and Edge are and the forum software as well from the other side of the equation.
Most people do not start web sessions with clean profiles and caches, it is a privacy protection which is seen as too much trouble by most. But as privacy awareness grows, more begin to consider it. The issues I see will become more commonplace as more people adopt such privacy measures. I raise my voice on this now to help convey the message through admins back to the developers who are in a position to do something about it. In my experience both with computers and with cars, most major issues were preceded by subtle clues and minor issues.
I see the similar issues with other sites besides forums. A lot of the complexity issues in the code come from libraries, not directly from the developers building the site or the site software. The trouble is the forum software developers do not see the issue, they do not acknowledge forum members as their end users. The forum admins are the users in the developer's eyes.
These are the same type of issues we see now in modern vehicles where a radio (computer) replacement can result in a degraded vehicle experience unless the new radio can be "programmed" to the rest of the computers on the vehicle with the VIN. When these modern vehicles reach the age of ours they will have to be hacked in order to keep them going. We hack our vehicles now, but we do not need need to program the VIN into an old 727 tourqueflight transplanted into an M body in order to be able put it in drive and go.
So, I ask that as an admin you convey the issue to the developers of the forum software. I am willing to help as a savvy forum member to provide some testing results back to the developers and possible some pointers on how to troubleshoot and/or correct the issues as my time allows.
Most people do not start web sessions with clean profiles and caches, it is a privacy protection which is seen as too much trouble by most. But as privacy awareness grows, more begin to consider it. The issues I see will become more commonplace as more people adopt such privacy measures. I raise my voice on this now to help convey the message through admins back to the developers who are in a position to do something about it. In my experience both with computers and with cars, most major issues were preceded by subtle clues and minor issues.
I see the similar issues with other sites besides forums. A lot of the complexity issues in the code come from libraries, not directly from the developers building the site or the site software. The trouble is the forum software developers do not see the issue, they do not acknowledge forum members as their end users. The forum admins are the users in the developer's eyes.
These are the same type of issues we see now in modern vehicles where a radio (computer) replacement can result in a degraded vehicle experience unless the new radio can be "programmed" to the rest of the computers on the vehicle with the VIN. When these modern vehicles reach the age of ours they will have to be hacked in order to keep them going. We hack our vehicles now, but we do not need need to program the VIN into an old 727 tourqueflight transplanted into an M body in order to be able put it in drive and go.
So, I ask that as an admin you convey the issue to the developers of the forum software. I am willing to help as a savvy forum member to provide some testing results back to the developers and possible some pointers on how to troubleshoot and/or correct the issues as my time allows.
I've used chrome for years -- Never even bothered with edge.
I am one of thousands of customers - and I know the developers follow best practices and standards.
kkritsilas
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Hayzoos:
It isn't just Windows users on Edge that are not having problems. I am writing this on a Mac Mini using Firefox (also Safari is fine). I also use Linux with Firefox & Opera, as well as Windows 10 with Firefox to access this site. I don't have a problem with any of them logging in.
You have chosen to use a clean profile every time you log in. Great, your choice, you can do what you want to secure your system. However, in using a clean profile, you are obviously wiping out the session cookie that logs you in. You may find this an acceptable inconvenience for the security gained. I don't think that this is the case with Shorty Thompson. I cannot say for sure what his issue is, but it could be as trivial as his setting his browser to delete cookies when the browser shuts down.
You can wave as many flags to however many admins/developers you want, but unless the web site can figure out who you are, they have no way of automatically logging you in. Right now, the only commonly used way is with session cookies. You are deleting those session cookies every time you start up a clean profile. If you have another way of doing it, there are many people would love to hear about it, I am sure, from the IETF to the EFF.
It isn't just Windows users on Edge that are not having problems. I am writing this on a Mac Mini using Firefox (also Safari is fine). I also use Linux with Firefox & Opera, as well as Windows 10 with Firefox to access this site. I don't have a problem with any of them logging in.
You have chosen to use a clean profile every time you log in. Great, your choice, you can do what you want to secure your system. However, in using a clean profile, you are obviously wiping out the session cookie that logs you in. You may find this an acceptable inconvenience for the security gained. I don't think that this is the case with Shorty Thompson. I cannot say for sure what his issue is, but it could be as trivial as his setting his browser to delete cookies when the browser shuts down.
You can wave as many flags to however many admins/developers you want, but unless the web site can figure out who you are, they have no way of automatically logging you in. Right now, the only commonly used way is with session cookies. You are deleting those session cookies every time you start up a clean profile. If you have another way of doing it, there are many people would love to hear about it, I am sure, from the IETF to the EFF.
Shorty Thompson
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Okay . If this is the issue then I have yet 1 question. I don't restart my computer every time ( as I think your referring) and yet I have to log in every time I visit the site So I can not agree with that scenario. 1 time since having this issue have I stayed logged in. every time before, and every time after I've had to re-log in. Today I had to re-log in. If it makes any difference I don't always get message alerts that someone has replied to any thread that I'm current following.
Hayzoos
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The issue is not staying logged in when there is a session cookie. Shorty Thomson is choosing to stay logged in which should produce a session cookie with no or a very long duration expiration. In my case I am having to re-authenticate mid-session when my session cookie should still be in existence and not expired. Both of us are having to re-authenticate when we should not have to, and the situation has the symptoms of a session cookie missing or expired.
Im guessing you have some setting in your browser to not save session cookies or something.
One other thing -- make sure your bookmark is the HTTPS:// version of the URL.. Not the HTTP://
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I never have a problem. I stay logged in all the time --
XfbodyX
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I dont understand why having to log back onto a web site is even an issue really.
I never stay logged in to any site, am more or less invisible at login, have ff and other things to reset at logoff or restart and many sites think im a bot because I show so little. Every time I log into my bank or PP for example I always have to answer the security questions or do the capatcha? puzzle.
To me its far easier to be safe vs hacked. But yet with the setting I use in my pc and router I get faster internet then my neighbor who pays $30 more a month for a plan two tiers up.
ST have you ever done any trace programs to see the route your internet takes to get to this site?
I never stay logged in to any site, am more or less invisible at login, have ff and other things to reset at logoff or restart and many sites think im a bot because I show so little. Every time I log into my bank or PP for example I always have to answer the security questions or do the capatcha? puzzle.
To me its far easier to be safe vs hacked. But yet with the setting I use in my pc and router I get faster internet then my neighbor who pays $30 more a month for a plan two tiers up.
ST have you ever done any trace programs to see the route your internet takes to get to this site?
Hayzoos
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In Chrome, click the three verical dots near the top right of the window. Then select settings from the menu. On the left click "Privacy and security". Now click "Cookies and other site data" in the middle. Scroll down until you see "Clear cookies and site data when you quit Chrome" and see if it is set or not. If it is set, change it and close Chrome and try to login and see if you stay logged in. If it is not set, scroll down further to see if forfmjbodies only.com is listed in either "Always clear cookies when windows are closed" or "Sites that can never use cookies". If you find it listed in either, click the trash can to the right to remove it; then close Chrome and try to login and see if you stay logged in.
Shorty Thompson
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It's a position of whether you are accepted into this community or " Oh well ! " and no 1 cares. I'd been a member for sometime now. I can't understand why when I didn't have a problem staying logged in to within the past 6 months or so I do now.
Shorty Thompson
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Not being a smart ass , but you shouldn't have the same issue as me . You own the website.
