NOS Thermoquad 9372S on Ebay

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They do work on our cars. If someone here on the forum buys this and wants a thermoquad spreadbore manifold, I have an extra one that can be had for just the shipping, but I don't know if you'll need all the smog stuff to go with it to make it work.
 

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Not mine, not sure if these fit our cars or not, but I happened across it and recall there's usually someone looking for a TQ now and then...


Thermo-Quad number 9372S was originally equipped on 1981-1982 318 passenger car federal (non-California, non-Canada) applications with an automatic transmission. The original Chrysler part number is 4179179.

It is one of the most complex Thermo-Quad models as an electronic feedback carburetor. To operate as intended it must be paired with an original, or similar, Electronic Spark Control (ESC)/Electronic Spark Advance (ESA) combustion computer, with accompanying sensors (including, coolant controlled vacuum switch, oxygen sensor, air inlet temperature sensor, etc.), or some other electronic feedback controller.

The feedback pulsing solenoid was used in some 1981-1984 with ESC/ESA. The solenoid mounts on the front of the bowl cover, where the Idle Enrichment module mounted earlier. This solenoid is used to control the air/fuel mixture via varying duty cycle pulsing from the control computer based on feedback from exhaust, engine, and ambient sensors. The solenoid alters the variable air bleeds by inputting more or less air based on computer signal duty cycle. If the solenoid is disconnected, the air bleeds will allow a full rich condition. Tuning with this in mind, this Thermo-Quad could potentially be used in a non-control/feedback vehicle.

In addition to the electronic feedback pulsing solenoid, this Thermo-Quad has the following systems:
- Tamper proof choke linkage.
Many 1981-1984 models have this cover to prevent field adjustment of the pull-off. It can be removed by cutting the rivets, etc.

- Bowl Vent (BV) and Bowl Vent Solenoid:
For 1978-1984 models, the standard bowl vent was redesigned with a two way valve and holding solenoid at the rear of the carburetor. When the engine starts, manifold vacuum pulls the valve rubber 'puck' down, opening the bowl to the canister port. The solenoid is connected to the ignition run circuit and holds the valve open during low vacuum periods while running. When the engine is shut down, the valve releases and reseals the float bowl. Connects to the rear base port for vacuum, color code gold. The vent hose to the canister connects to the adjacent 3/8” fitting, color code gold. This vent style is not a problem, just more complex than the earlier mechanical or internal vents.

- Ground Switch:
1976-1984 models, so equipped, use this. It signals the computer that the throttle plates are at idle position. Later models with solenoid idle stop combined the functions. It is located on the bracket on the right front. A throttle shaft attachment contacts it. The ground switch is not an issue, but its presence can preclude a conventional idle screw, which is not present on this carburetor. It can be added.

- Solenoid Idle Stop (SIS):
Used on 1981-1984 models to set the idle higher than the basic curb idle when additional heavy accessory load, such as the rear window defogger or air conditioning, is placed on the engine. It mounts on a bracket on the right front. This can be a helpful addition. It mounts with the ground switch bracket.

- Hidden idle mixture screws:
Many 1980 and later Thermo-Quads had the base redesigned to enclose the mixture screws so they could be 'capped' via plugs after factory setting. The screws can be accessed by drilling and removing the plugs. Mixture control is limited still though internally.

- Locked step-up piston adjustment:
Step up piston adjustment is not typically required, but if needed, this piston has been made non adjustable at the factory, like others from this period. It can be modified to work, or replaced by an earlier version.

- No ported vacuum port for distributor vacuum advance:
Many Electronic Lean Burn and Electronic Spark Advance/Electronic Spark Control carburetors,including this one, lack a vacuum advance port because advance was controlled by the computer. The port can be added to provide a vacuum advance signal for a conventional non-ELB/ESC/ESA distributor system. The vacuum advance port is somewhat tricky and is best performed by comparison to an earlier throttle base that has the factory port to ensure proper placement of the transfer slot. Misplacing the vacuum idle transfer slot can cause an off-idle stumble and will necessitate additional tuning or replacement.

To add the port, do the following:
1. Using a 5/32" drill bit, drill the throttle base where the vacuum port existed on previous units. Drill into the open, roughly square, opening between the outside and the throttle bore. This will accommodate the vacuum fitting.
2. Using a ~1/16" drill bit, drill two holes just above the throttle plate into the same square opening from the throttle bore side, one hole adjacent to the other and both parallel to the throttle plate.
3. Using a knife or small screwdriver, blend the holes together into a slot. This slot serves as the off-idle transfer slot to feed the vacuum port.
4. Deburr and clean the drilled areas.
5. Press a short length of 5/32" pipe or an old fitting into the outside hole.

After adding the port, ported vacuum is available for distributor vacuum advance.

This looks to be an excellent Thermo-Quad to install on a car with a functional ESC/ESA system. For adapting or modifying in a non ESC/ESA application, the foregoing details should be considered and handled depending on the application and installation goals, but for this use, starting with a simpler model would likely be better.

For more Thermo-Quad information, visit Vaanth Thermo-Quad Guide Site.
 
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Vaanth you are a wealth of knowledge . Thank you for all the info. First time I saw a thermoquad with the choke shield like that.
 

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Thermo-Quad number 9372S was originally equipped on 1981-1982 318 passenger car federal (non-California, non-Canada) applications with an automatic transmission. The original Chrysler part number is 4179179.

It is one of the most complex Thermo-Quad models as an electronic feedback carburetor. To operate as intended it must be paired with an original, or similar, Electronic Spark Control (ESC)/Electronic Spark Advance (ESA) combustion computer, with accompanying sensors (including, coolant controlled vacuum switch, oxygen sensor, air inlet temperature sensor, etc.), or some other electronic feedback controller.

The feedback pulsing solenoid was used in some 1981-1984 with ESC/ESA. The solenoid mounts on the front of the bowl cover, where the Idle Enrichment module mounted earlier. This solenoid is used to control the air/fuel mixture via varying duty cycle pulsing from the control computer based on feedback from exhaust, engine, and ambient sensors. The solenoid alters the variable air bleeds by inputting more or less air based on computer signal duty cycle. If the solenoid is disconnected, the air bleeds will allow a full rich condition. Tuning with this in mind, this Thermo-Quad could potentially be used in a non-control/feedback vehicle.

In addition to the electronic feedback pulsing solenoid, this Thermo-Quad has the following systems:
- Tamper proof choke linkage.
Many 1981-1984 models have this cover to prevent field adjustment of the pull-off. It can be removed by cutting the rivets, etc.

- Bowl Vent (BV) and Bowl Vent Solenoid:
For 1978-1984 models, the standard bowl vent was redesigned with a two way valve and holding solenoid at the rear of the carburetor. When the engine starts, manifold vacuum pulls the valve rubber 'puck' down, opening the bowl to the canister port. The solenoid is connected to the ignition run circuit and holds the valve open during low vacuum periods while running. When the engine is shut down, the valve releases and reseals the float bowl. Connects to the rear base port for vacuum, color code gold. The vent hose to the canister connects to the adjacent 3/8” fitting, color code gold. This vent style is not a problem, just more complex than the earlier mechanical or internal vents.

- Ground Switch:
1976-1984 models, so equipped, use this. It signals the computer that the throttle plates are at idle position. Later models with solenoid idle stop combined the functions. It is located on the bracket on the right front. A throttle shaft attachment contacts it. The ground switch is not an issue, but its presence can preclude a conventional idle screw, which is not present on this carburetor. It can be added.

- Solenoid Idle Stop (SIS):
Used on 1981-1984 models to set the idle higher than the basic curb idle when additional heavy accessory load, such as the rear window defogger or air conditioning, is placed on the engine. It mounts on a bracket on the right front. This can be a helpful addition. It mounts with the ground switch bracket.

- Hidden idle mixture screws:
Many 1980 and later Thermo-Quads had the base redesigned to enclose the mixture screws so they could be 'capped' via plugs after factory setting. The screws can be accessed by drilling and removing the plugs. Mixture control is limited still though internally.

- Locked step-up piston adjustment:
Step up piston adjustment is not typically required, but if needed, this piston has been made non adjustable at the factory, like others from this period. It can be modified to work, or replaced by an earlier version.

- No ported vacuum port for distributor vacuum advance:
Many Electronic Lean Burn and Electronic Spark Advance/Electronic Spark Control carburetors,including this one, lack a vacuum advance port because advance was controlled by the computer. The port can be added to provide a vacuum advance signal for a conventional non-ELB/ESC/ESA distributor system. The vacuum advance port is somewhat tricky and is best performed by comparison to an earlier throttle base that has the factory port to ensure proper placement of the transfer slot. Misplacing the vacuum idle transfer slot can cause an off-idle stumble and will necessitate additional tuning or replacement.

To add the port, do the following:
1. Using a 5/32" drill bit, drill the throttle base where the vacuum port existed on previous units. Drill into the open, roughly square, opening between the outside and the throttle bore. This will accommodate the vacuum fitting.
2. Using a ~1/16" drill bit, drill two holes just above the throttle plate into the same square opening from the throttle bore side, one hole adjacent to the other and both parallel to the throttle plate.
3. Using a knife or small screwdriver, blend the holes together into a slot. This slot serves as the off-idle transfer slot to feed the vacuum port.
4. Deburr and clean the drilled areas.
5. Press a short length of 5/32" pipe or an old fitting into the outside hole.

After adding the port, ported vacuum is available for distributor vacuum advance.

This looks to be an excellent Thermo-Quad to install on a car with a functional ESC/ESA system. For adapting or modifying in a non ESC/ESA application, the foregoing details should be considered and handled depending on the application and installation goals, but for this use, starting with a simpler model would likely be better.

For more Thermo-Quad information, visit Vaanth Thermo-Quad Guide Site.
Can you let me know if this Carb IS OK FOR MY 1979 Aspen 360 E58 ? Thanks
 

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Can you let me know if this Carb IS OK FOR MY 1979 Aspen 360 E58 ? Thanks

In general, I do not judge the 9372S Thermo-Quad as suitable for a 1979 Aspen E58 360.

If you have and are retaining the original 1979 Electronic Spark Advance (ESA) system, its Spark Control Computer and factory wiring do not support the feedback solenoid on the carburetor nor does it have provisions for an oxygen sensor. A matching 1981-1982 setup would be required to work with the carburetor as designed, and still require some adapting on an earlier 360.

If you are not using the original ESA system, or similar, but running a Thermo-Quad configured and connected as an earlier, more conventional, model, then the carburetor can be made to work considering the subsystems as mentioned previously and adapting as required. However, although doable, I would start with a simpler model myself.

Your 1979 E58 360 was originally equipped with a 9196S, if a federal application, 9197S, if for Canada or export, or 9202S, if a California application. Although these match the original ESA system, even these Thermo-Quads are not great for modifying and running as if an earlier setup without ESA, with vacuum advance, etc.

I actually have a 1979 E58 360 myself in a 1979 Newport police package car which I've owned for 35 years. I removed the ESA and original Thermo-Quad years ago. I experimented with a couple of earlier Thermo-Quads and settled on a 9066S (1976 440 application, tuned a little) which has been in place for 25 years.

Although a tempting Thermo-Quad as NOS, the carburetor in that auction is far overpriced due to its limited usability, unless one is using it in an original application and wants a new one.

In sum, okay for a 1979 E58 360? Maybe after adapting it to be so. But a good match for that 360? No.
 
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do 88-89 cars have Thermoquads or just normal Quadrajets?
Carter ceased production of the Thermo-Quad after the 1984 model year. Chrysler switched to the Rochester Quadrajet M4ME and E4ME for 1985-1989.

- M4ME = "Modified" (post 1974), 4 barrel Quadrajet, electric choke, non feedback.
- E4ME = Electronic feedback, 4 barrel Quadrajet, electric choke.

1988 and 1989 passenger car applications used the 17085433 Quadrajet, Chrysler # 4306433.

Following is a listing of the Quadrajets used by Chrysler in all applications from 1985-1989:

Rochester NumberApplicationChrysler NumberDetails
1708540785-87 3184306407 O2, E4ME
1708540885-86 360 Truck4306408AT, Fed
1708540985-86 360 Truck4306409AT, Fed, HA
1708541185 3184306411Can, Exp
1708541485-88 360 Truck4306414HD
1708541585 360 Truck4306415HD, Fed, CA, Can
1708541685-88 360 Truck4306416
1708541785-86 360 Truck4306417MT, Fed
1708542586 360 Truck4306425Fed
1708543186 360 Truck4306431HD, CA, Can
1708543285-88 360 Truck4306432HD
1708543386-89 3184306433Fed, CA, Can, O2, E4ME
1708543486 360 Truck4306434AT, Fed, CA, Can
1708717588 360 Truck4306419AT, Fed
1708717688 360 Truck4306420MT, Fed
1708717788 360 Truck4306424AT, Fed, HA
1708724588 360 Truck4306437Fed, CA, HD

Table Abbreviations:
  • AT = Automatic Transmission
  • MT = Manual Transmission ( No reference means both transmissions )
  • CA = California application; generic for CA, Sales code N95
  • Fed = Federal application ( No reference means both Federal and California.)
  • Can = Canada application. Typically, Canada used Federal carburetors except as noted.
  • Exp = Export
  • HD = Heavy Duty Cycle
  • HA = High Altitude
  • O2 = Feedback unit
 
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