WANTED Tilt Steering Column

FMJ Body Parts Wanted

  1. 65 Dartman

    65 Dartman Well-Known Member

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    Looking for a tilt steering column that will most like be out of an M Body. Steering wheel not needed. I have a J Body floor shift non-tilt column for possible trade.
     
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    You need to be a little more specific. Are looking to also fit a J-body? From my understanding, 80 is stand alone. 81-83 will plug and play into themselves. Are you looking to go to tilt, column shift? Do you have all the associated column shift linkages and different than floorshift kickdown? If so I could help and would also be interested in trades. Or are you simply looking to add tilt to a floor shift car and require another floor shift column? In that case I can't help but maybe with more details, another can.
     
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    Thanks for replying. This is what I have going on : 65 Dart wagon that I was going to use the 65 833 and all associated 4 speed stuff. I already have mocked up a modified J Body underdash harness (forgot from what year) to work with my modified engine harness. The plan was to use a J Body steering column w/o shifter that I have (an 80 I believe) that my underdash harness will plug into the ignition parts on the column. My clutch leg has worsened to the point I can hardly lift it up to even clutch pedal height, so I’ve made the decision to go to an automatic, a rebuilt A500 to be exact, since that’s what I have on hand. It would be no problem to use the floor shift column I have and use an aftermarket automatic floor shifter. But since the wagon is heavily modified inside and out - custom dash, swap to factory AC including the firewall, complete 66 Barracuda interior, power door windows, power door locks and on the exterior, conversion to a 2 door sedan delivery, it would be great to have a column shifted tilt column, which the ignition parts would have to integrate with my underdash harness. I am not worried about the shift linkage from the column to the trans since it’s likely going to need to be fabricated anyway. That’s where I’m at right now.

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    Cool looking Dart! There's a pair of those being neglected on the other side of the country block from me along with a few mid 50's Packards. Given that the relationship of the firewall to back of engine should remain very similar across models, you shouldn't have linkage issues. The column length would be my concern. The Mopar units are slightly modified GM Saginaw's and longer than a standard column which you could set at the desired angle. That's why they only came with the flat "blade" steering wheels until the 80's wheel redesign. You just can't put a standard dished wheel on them without rubbing your gut or, other protrusions while reaching the pedals. Some guys have found that if you use a Grant GM adaptor to mount a Tuff Wheel, it actually places the wheel back so far that you need to shim it out to get it off the turn stalk and shifter tho. If your harness is an '80, you may be a little screwed on parts availability in any case. My suggestion would be to use an 80's M tilt column and swap wires around as necessary to make the plugs work. Most likely you'd want to grab it from some junkyard car and cut the harness side of the plugs and splice the pigtails into your new column. I assume you have access to the occasional 5thA's and Dippy's coming thru local yards yet today? That would sure be cheaper than paying myself or another to hunt one down and grab your needs.
     
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    Thanks for you insight! I “think” my dash harness might be from an 82 as all the colors and location of wires to the ignition components seem match the 82 FSM. I save my FSM AS I had an 82 Miranda a few years back. Another FFMJBodies member sent me the schematic for the ignition components for an 80 and although the colors are different, placement in the connectors are the same. A FABO member and Happens to be a personal friend saw my FABO ad and said he can source a tilt column. There are still a few M Bodies in yards around where he lives in IA. So we shall see what he comes up with.. if you have something I’d be interested in, do let me know as well.

    As far as any FMJ’s in any yards around here - all long gone at least 20 years ago!
    Don
     
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    There's a few 5thA's remaining in my local yard. But they've all been there at least 20 years, so not 100% certain I'd trust their electrical to be good, or which years which one's even are. But I am half way closer than IA. Personally, in that range I only have my 84 and 89 5th's, and also 86 and 87 columns hanging from the trusses. I'm not entirely familiar with the later M's despite owning them. But I was told the columns changed in 81 and 84, then some time in 88, and again in 89 for the air bag. I didn't know the plugs would work despite the different colored wires, but according to another friend an 81 turn signal switch wouldn't work in an 80. How true all of that is, or maybe where he went wrong, I've no idea. Just what I'm told. So if my friends are correct any 81-83 should work for you and provide a decent range of years to maintain it. And if yours doesn't come through for you I could try climbing into some of the local ones through which ever window is open and kick the doors til the frozen shut latches give so I can check the door stickers for the right year range of build. As long as the driver door window isn't down or the windshield missing, they might be OK.