would a 4bbl car post 1984 have a A904 or an A999?

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asking because there is a strong possibility the trans on my father's 88 AHB 4bbl will need a new transmission. been sitting for years and the list of things to be fixed is steadily going up to the point i could afford to buy a new one for what it costs to fix this thing. hard to find pursuit packages though, and this one has sentimental value.
 

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999. But look at the pan shape and the part number on the side to know for sure. It could have been replaced before.

Oddly if it was a 2bbl AHB they usually had 727s. Which seems like that's reversed.
 

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999. But look at the pan shape and the part number on the side to know for sure. It could have been replaced before.

Oddly if it was a 2bbl AHB they usually had 727s. Which seems like that's reversed.
thanks. what's the normal price for these to be rebuilt? quote was $4500. that's a lot in my opinion
 

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The pandemic messed up prices but I would expect it to be less then 1/2 that.
 

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An old car is going to cost you.
A new car is going to cost you.

Call around for prices. It varies a LOT. And it varies by region. I can tell you what it would cost you here, and it could change if some hard parts are shot, or of something like a valve body or crossmember is damaged that I didn't know about. With a transmission, you are paying for come backs and failures. Transmissions have a high failure rate, especially modern electronic ones. You're paying for the other guy's 8 speed AWD trans that was rebuild that goes out 3 months after the Chinese parts were put in. The torqueflite or 700R4 is not an expensive or complex trans to repair, but the shop is doing a volume of complex FRAGILE electronic junk and a lot of it comes back under warranty. Those comebacks are built into the prices. Same goes for engine work. Call around and start saving money.
 
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thanks. what's the normal price for these to be rebuilt? quote was $4500. that's a lot in my opinion

That's a price for a modern eight speed. Total batshit nuts. These things are simple compared to modern stuff. Find another shop.
 

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What makes you think it needs a rebuild? Also, when I shop for transmissions (because I'm a hoarder) it doesn't matter if it's a 904 or 998 or 999; everyone always lists them as A904 or 904. As long as you get one with the V8 bolt pattern you should be fine. It'll work. Core prices here have them at $75-$150.

The only differences were lock up vs non lock up torque converters and the 998/9 were heavier duty.
 

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What makes you think it needs a rebuild? Also, when I shop for transmissions (because I'm a hoarder) it doesn't matter if it's a 904 or 998 or 999; everyone always lists them as A904 or 904. As long as you get one with the V8 bolt pattern you should be fine. It'll work. Core prices here have them at $75-$150.

The only differences were lock up vs non lock up torque converters and the 998/9 were heavier duty.
clunks real bad. shifts sloppily. car has been sitting for many years and i believe it was parked because of the transmission issue. like really loud clunks that shake the car.
 

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The designations were switched up a little bit over the years, along with some other changes, and my advice from many years of experience:

Here's the basic history -

'81 - '83: A904 in all retail cars. 727 (36RH), all squads, all engines (Slant 6 and 318). These were all lock-ups.

'84 - mid '86: A904 (32RH) in all retail cars and squads. The 727 was only available (but not standard) in the AHV taxi models from '84 - '89. You could not get the 727 in any retail model or squad, at least in North America.

Mid -'86 to 1988: Still the 904/32RH, however, these transmissions got a different torque converter and were the first transmissions to use Mopar ATF+ (7176). This was to reduce TC shudder. 7176 later became the fully synthetic ATF+4 that everyone should be using today. Yes, you. Drain the crappy GM Dexron or equally lousy Type F, and get the best. If you order today, Stellantis will throw in some free Ginsu knives.

In '88 - '89: Chrysler began moving towards improving quality and incorporating new technology. The old A904 was basically renamed A998 (32RH), which used in retail cars, 2bbl squads, and standard in taxis. 4bbl cars got the A999 (34RH), which was originally used from '75-'79 behind the E57 360 2bbl. The 999 got stronger clutches, Kevlar bands, and a heavier TC. The 727/36RH was still optional in the taxis.

The 999 (32/33/34RH) actually continued through 2003 in some Jeeps and B-model vans. That might make it a little easier to hunt one down in the boneyard. There were some minor changes to neutral safety switches and speedometer pinion setups, but you can easily adapt a newer 999 to an M-body. Rebuild kits are very inexpensive. Use the bolt-in sprag.

Overdrive A999s appeared in pickups for '88, as the A500 (42RH). The 727-based A518 (44/46/48RH) followed.
The 42RH became the electronic 42RE in 1996, with the 44/46/48RH going to RE at the same time.
A few owners have squeezed a 42RH underneath an F/M/J with decent success. That allows one to run a little bit shorter gear, but fabrication skills are definitely required. The time to mess with that is if you have the engine out. But then it makes more sense to grab a 318 or 360 Magnum with its transmission out of a '93-'95 ZJ or Dakota.

Going into the 90's, the 904-based 4-spd autos didn't make it much past 1998, but the 727-based transmissions are still in production: In 1999, the 44RE became the 545RE, later the 645RE/RFE, and eventually the 66RE/RFE in 2007, and finally the current 68RE/RFE.

You can use an earlier 904 in an '88 or '89, but I'd advise sticking with the newer assemblies or rebuilding what you have. You can build any 904 to hold up behind any 318 or 360, but if it's a daily driver, keep the lockup feature. The old advice that lockup convertors are weak hasn't been accurate for many years, as better materials and construction methods have greatly improved their durability. Every automatic Hellcat ever built has a lockup convertor.

This advice may be unpopular with a few, but stay away from the 727. In a lighter car like the M-body, the 727 is a boat anchor. They're heavy, wrap up slower, and have a poor gear set. Case in point: some drag racers used to put 904 internals into a 727 case, just to give them a little edge off the line.
Stick with the 999.
 

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I don't know if you were talkingabout the AHB only cars, but my 1980 Cordoba Crown has an A998 in it with its 318-4BBL. My 1981 Mirada CMX has an A999 along with its 318-4BBL. These are all factory original, the transmission codes on the fender tags show them, and I've been underneath and can verify that they tags are correct. Both cars are Canadian market cars.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the original A904 had a higher first gear (I think it was a 2.47, but could be wrong), and the A998/A999 had a lower first gear (2.74, but again, my memory could be off). Speculation had it that this was to help get cars going from a standstill because of the dropping power levels, and lower rear end ratios. This is in addition to the lockup torque converters.

P.S. Took a little bit of time to look it up. The original A904 gear ratios were 2.45/1.45/1.00; the A998/A999 were 2.74/1.54/1.00. So both first and second gear changed to a lower gear.
 
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I don't know if you were talkingabout the AHB only cars, but my 1980 Cordoba Crown has an A998 in it with its 318-4BBL. My 1981 Mirada CMX has an A999 along with its 318-4BBL. These are all factory original, the transmission codes on the fender tags show them, and I've been underneath and can verify that they tags are correct. Both cars are Canadian market cars.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the original A904 had a higher first gear (I think it was a 2.47, but could be wrong), and the A998/A999 had a lower first gear (2.74, but again, my memory could be off). Speculation had it that this was to help get cars going from a standstill because of the dropping power levels. This is in addition to the lockup torque converters.

The 904 and 727 shared gearset ratios through (at least) 1980, and they were pretty tepid at 2.45/1.5/1.0. In 1981, the 904 family got the wider spread, although some trucks may have kept the older ratios.

The nomenclature for the transmissions was all over the place. I had an '88 A999 installed in an '85 Fury AHB that showed "904" on the case, yet it had the '88's VIN stamped on it. But it's a good point - the transmissions behind the 360 2bbl in cars was always called an A999. It's the internal differences between them, and the yearly changes (if any) that make the bigger differences. I do think that using the current designations (30/31/32/33/34RH) make it far easier to figure out what you've got.

The 727 was far easier to understand in that respect. Through '78, It was either a 727A, or 727B. You couldn't swap them. After the B/RB were dropped in '78, the only real change made to the 727A was the lockup convertor in '81.
 

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Feeler gauges, lip seal install tools, manuals, rebuild kit, can rent the clutch spring compression tool; just rebuild it yourself. If you’re just wanting to be productive , there a good chance nothing is particularly damaged yet, aside some blown seals or worn frictions/clutches. There’s not really an easier or better transmission to pull part and learn how to rebuild. I’d get ahold of Nick at A&A transmission and have them give me a complete rebuild kit. Good guys between him and Rick.
Marcin at Florida Torque Converter will have a TC for any of the 904 variants. Good guy, good build quality.
 
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