Does Borgeson offer a box for Fifth Avenues?

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Hey folks,

Maybe I'm missing something, but I went to the Borgeson website today (11-4-25) to see the pricing for a power steering box for my 1986 Chrysler Fifth Avenue. I'd read about them here and the members seemed to like them, but I started to notice all the posts were from years ago. So when I went to the website, and searched for the part, Chrysler did not appear in the drop-down menu. Dodge did, but when I clicked on it, all I got were trucks. Didn't see Diplomats.

So has Borgeson discontinued its power steering box for M-bodies?

Thanks.
 
They do, but they don't have us in their application search, like a lot of companies. You will have to search for an earlier car or look at one of the retailers that carries them, like Bergman auto craft
 
Duke5A said:
This is the kit you want: BAC Steering Box Conversion Kit - Large Sector 73-82 - Bergman Auto Craft

I'm running this on my 5A and Dad has it on his Diplomat. You'll need a high pressure hose, also from Bergman.
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Hey, thanks for the great information. Duke5A, have you seen any drips from the Borgeson steering box since your installation? My Fifth has 190,000 miles, the factory box is leaking, it's not tight anymore, and I'm looking to upgrade. Bergman recommends the steering box cooler -- did you get one? My car's strictly a daily driver, no drag racing or autocrossing, but I put a lot of miles on it. My daily commute's about 70 miles, part city, part interstates. So I want something that'll stand up to a lot of use. Really appreciate your perspective.
 
Dippy Daddy said:
Hey, thanks for the great information. Duke5A, have you seen any drips from the Borgeson steering box since your installation? My Fifth has 190,000 miles, the factory box is leaking, it's not tight anymore, and I'm looking to upgrade. Bergman recommends the steering box cooler -- did you get one? My car's strictly a daily driver, no drag racing or autocrossing, but I put a lot of miles on it. My daily commute's about 70 miles, part city, part interstates. So I want something that'll stand up to a lot of use. Really appreciate your perspective.
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Beside my Dad's car and my own there is another forum member here with it on his coupe. It's an expensive upgrade and usually it's only seen on project cars that get silly amounts of money thrown at them. If your car is strictly an all weather DD then Steer and Gear might be a better cheaper alternative. They're located in Ohio too.

Dad's car has a cooler, but I haven't added one yet. I've got one in the box that will get installed sometime over the winter here. A cheap $35 unit is all you need and it's plumbed into the return side.
 
Don't let the parts listings on websites scare you. Almost all the A B C E F and M body passenger car power steering boxes from 73 to 89 will interchange. Manual boxes will interchange from like the late 60s to 89.
 
Duke5A said:
Beside my Dad's car and my own there is another forum member here with it on his coupe. It's an expensive upgrade and usually it's only seen on project cars that get silly amounts of money thrown at them. If your car is strictly an all weather DD then Steer and Gear might be a better cheaper alternative. They're located in Ohio too.

Dad's car has a cooler, but I haven't added one yet. I've got one in the box that will get installed sometime over the winter here. A cheap $35 unit is all you need and it's plumbed into the return side.
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Thanks again for the informative reply. I have indeed looked at the Steer & Gear options and may try them instead. I can't really do the labor of swapping steering boxes myself, so I also have to find someone in the Cleveland/Akron area to install whatever box I get. A lot will depend on the IRS refund I get in February, frankly. The Borgeson will be a grand or more and Steer & Gear will be about half that. Long-term plans include swapping in a 5.2 Magnum with the factory EFI too. All it takes is money, right? Thanks again for your perspective.
 
Duke5A said:
Beside my Dad's car and my own there is another forum member here with it on his coupe. It's an expensive upgrade and usually it's only seen on project cars that get silly amounts of money thrown at them...
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I have the setup that @Duke5A referenced above.

It was a bit of a peculiar installation in my case b/c I decided to keep my power steering pump with the factory O-ring setup (came to find out in the process that there were multiple options out there), but to Mark's earlier point, if you are willing to stick to what Borgeson shows on their website you should be OK.

Usage wise, here is what I have:
1) I lowered the output pressure on my power steering pump prior to this steering gear change, so that standard 'over assisted' feeling was already partially controlled, now with this box I probably should pump it up a notch to avoid that hard at idle steering wheel feel, but honestly that's not a biggie for me as the car is a summer only thing

2) The box install itself was fine, no real/major issues to report, if anything the problems I had ran into had everything to do with a non-stock setup I have in the engine bay (TTI 1-7/8" tube headers, freaking HOT at all times, so I put on heat shielding over the lines)

3) I do run a cooler (factory one - which also complicated the line routing LOL), but with 4.10 gearing out back and therefore some pretty decent RPMs, the box itself gets hot and I cannot imagine NOT running a cooler

OK, besides all of that...did you look at RockAuto?

I ask because something like Lares 11031 very much looks like the Borgeson gear (it is not though, it is a different part) and it aims to deliver the same result at a lower price point ($440 USD). Worth looking into if you ask me!
 
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