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  1. BudW

    BudW Moderator Staff Member

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    That's wrong right on so many levels - but it happens.


    E-10 means roughly 90% Gasoline and 10% Ethanol.
    E-85 means roughly 15% Gasoline and 85% Ethanol
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

    For fuel consumption, Methanol (not Ethanol – for not sure specs on it but suspect it to be about the same) needs 2.2 units per every unit of Gasoline. That means an engine will need 2.2 times the amount of Methanol as a Gasoline engine will use; therefore, carburetor jetting will need to be different (changed).
    Using Ethanol or Methanol in a non-computer-controlled environment will equal an engine running way lean (or even with computers used in FMJ vehicles will still run way lean).

    If a person is using an aftermarket fuel injection system, then you can have at it, providing your fuel lines and hoses are rated for alcohol usage.
    BudW
     
  2. Aspen500

    Aspen500 Well-Known Member

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    You pretty much need an E85 carb. The fluid passages, along with the jets, need to be somewhat larger and it has to be made from materials that the ethanol won't corrode.

    A non flex-fuel newer vehicle won't run on E85, or it will run VERY poorly. It just isn't designed to compensate and has no way of calculating ethanol percentage. As with the carb, a non flex fuel vehicles fuel system isn't made to handle ethanol. Basically, ethanol corrodes anything other than stainless and plastic.

    I've run into it at work more than once. A car comes in, either driven in (barely running) or comes in on the flat bed. You find out someone put E85 in where it shouldn't be.

    The pumps here say "May contain up to 10% ethanol", unless of course, it's ethanol free. Independent testing in the area found ethanol content of anywhere from 0% to 6%, at the most. If there was a way of knowing before hand, a person could save the extra 20 cent/gal for ethanol free regular. Don't think there is anyplace that sells other than ethanol free 91 premium. There used to be 93 octane but again, it was "up to 10%" and nobody that used premium wanted it so it all became ethanol free. Pretty much why E85 is all but impossible to find, nobody bought it so they all quit selling it. Plus, trying to start a car with E85 in the winter is a problem. Power to the people! lol
     
  3. kkritsilas

    kkritsilas Well-Known Member

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    The largest supplier of petroleum to the US is not OPEC, it is Canada. Canada displaced OPEC as the largest supplier of oil quite a while ago. This is the crux of the Trans Mountain pipeline debate. The US imports Canadian oil (or as some would like to call it, bitumen) at a price that is 30-50% below the world price of oil (the world price is based on WTI, or West Texas Intermediate), then ships its own oil (mostly from shale deposits) at the world price, making for an instant 30-50% profit. Because the Canadian oil/bitumen cannot be shipped overseas in any significant volume (see above regarding the Trans Mountain pipeline), it can only be sold at a discount to the US. If there was an economical, high volume transport system to get the Canadian oil to a shipping port, it would decrease the discount that the Canadian oil sells at to between 10-20% from the current 30-50%. Canadian oil will always sell at some discount because it has higher sulfur content, and is heavier (i.e. more of the large molecules) than WTI or for example Brent (from the UK) and Saud Arabian oil. The sulfur and the heavy molecule content means that there will be more processing/refining required, and the products that come out will be more asphalt, bunker, and diesel fuel than gasoline or kerosene/jet fuel. That can be changed somewhat by re-organizing refineries and processes.
     
  4. Aspen500

    Aspen500 Well-Known Member

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    At least you Canadian's are useful for something:D Now that we have a President that knows how to get things done and how to make an economy succeed (despite what you may see if you watch fake news CNN), a bunch of the ridiculous regulations on oil drilling, refineries, etc., that prevented or made way too expensive, companies from drilling and building new refineries have been eliminated and he OK'd the pipeline. All that means we'll be able to pump our own oil and tell OPEC where they can shove it, so to speak.
    Noticed the price went down a nickle yesterday to $2.74/gal seems to be the going price for regular 87 octane gasoline.
     
  5. Dr Lebaron

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    I feel lucky I can get 93 non ethanol for the same price or less than the big chain's premium.
     
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    A gas station a short distance from me has leaded 100 octane and 110 octane racing fuel. The 110 fuel is $7.80 a gallon.
     
  7. kkritsilas

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    I like what Trump is trying to do. In many cases, he is right about job losses and the US being taken advantage of. However, this has more to do with jobs leaving the US for Mexico or the far east, not to Canada, as Canada is not cheaper than the US in terms of labour cost.

    The people advising Trump need to take a much deeper look at the contents of NAFTA. It isn't just about marketing boards (it would be good for most working Canadians if Trump succeeded in getting rid to all the Canadian marketing boards). One of the clauses in the recently expired NAFTA agreement is very specific regarding the flow of oil, in that Canada cannot stop the flow of oil into the US (which I think is only logical); with NAFTA now expired, this is no longer the case. Theoretically, Canada can now stop the flow of oil into the US at any time. While this probably will never come to pass, it is now legal to do so.

    Another point is that the tariffs on steel and aluminum were poorly explained. Canada, and Western Europe are NOT national security risks. If they were, they would not be part of NATO (Western Europe and Canada) and NORAD (Canada). If they were national security risks to the US, there is a much, much bigger problem than steel/aluminum prices. NORAD and NATO have access to US Defense Department resources and intelligence as part of those agreements. Now, Trump may be trying to get jobs in the steel and aluminum industries returned to the US, which is what he should be doing, so why explain the tariffs as being due to a national security issue?
     
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    When you give a terrorist 10 million for blowing soldiers up and convict police for killing an armed hijacker, you are a national security risk.
     
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    kkritsilas Well-Known Member

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    Nobody in Canada was in favour of paying off the terrorist; this was widely disliked by Canadians, and was something a brain dead government did on their own. Things like this will probably help get the current government kicked out of office in the next election. But neither of these situations constitute a security risk; they are simply brain dead decisions by a completely clueless government. Doesn’t change my point about the US being in NATO and NORAD with countries (Canada and Western Europe) that it has called security risks, and that neither steel nor aluminum tariffs reduce that risk in any way.
     
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    Why is a Charger cheaper in Hawaii than next to the plant in Ontario?
     
  11. BudW

    BudW Moderator Staff Member

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    What, wait, there is something that is actually cheaper in Hawaii (other than pineapple or sugar) than anywhere else in North America?
     
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    kkritsilas Well-Known Member

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    i"d be willing to bet a lot of things are cheaper in Hawaii. Easiest to compare wpuld be gasoline.
     
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    The idea behind getting more steel and aluminum produced here (USA), vs buying it off shore is if the unthinkable would happen due to a war or something, and the foreign supply of steel and aluminum was cut off, or oil, or electronics, or (fill in the blank things that aren't made in the USA anymore),,,,,,,,,,,,,,you'd be screwed. To be honest, some of that Chinese steel is crap. It'd rust away sitting in the Arizona desert where there's 1% humidity I think. Don't even get me started on Chinese auto parts............... The more a country (any country) can rely on itself for raw materials and daily products, the better. Hopefully nothing will ever happen to test the theory. I don't like tariffs but tend to give our President the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't been wrong yet on anything he's done. BTW people outside the USA, do NOT believe what you see on CNN or MSNBC or most of the lame stream media. It is all fake, false propaganda made up by the liberal, leftist, socialist douch bags to further their agenda of destroying this country. Add in the corruption in the FBI and DOJ (how else does multi-felon Killary walk free?) Sorry, getting off on a political rant and this isn't the forum for that.

    OK, enough with the politics!
    At least the price of gas hasn't gone up. Regular is still sitting steady at $2.74/gal.
     
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    I didn't know that politics were ok here, I thought that's what yellow Bullet was for.
     
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    BudW Moderator Staff Member

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    This is not the place for Politics, Religion, sports and other drama - not related our beloved FMJ Vehicles.
    There are other places for that.

    Actually, our other For_Body.com (fill in the blank) websites do have a “political or other” channel – but not here.

    Basically, everyone has an opinion, or in some cases, multiple opinions on numerous things.
    As a moderator, I’m asking us to leave the non-FMJ issues out/off of the forums and find somewhere else for those “other” comments.


    If we are going to have lively discussions, I would much prefer it be something like “installing a Ford part onto my Gran Fury” or why the /6 is better than a 318, or topics like that.

    So, I’m going to ask for our members to please refrain from making comments that anyone else might object too, which includes (but not limited too) Politics, Religion, sports, and so forth.

    I don’t want to have to close or delete any threads or posts.
    Thank you,
    BudW
     
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    We are at 1.37/liter;$6.23 galImp.; which equates to 4.99C per gal US. At 27%exchange, figure $3.64 per USg in USd
    My Honda Pilot might go 19/20 miles on that USg........
     
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    My 79 Lebaron /6 currently is doing between 18/19 on a US gallon with the A/C on.