1. Camtron

    Camtron Well-Known Member

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    Welp,
    new sander already broke
    Fifth Aves look rad without the chrome wheel well trim and Nerf side strips.
    Rust it gone, drivers side and hood are in primer.
    Going to revise my plan, get a better sander, bring a paint gun and compressor home from work and give it another go in a week or two.
    I’ve been dealing with a respiratory infection the last week so, wearing a respirator the last couple days has made it feel like I’ve been working at high altitude. I’m beat and my chest feels weak lol
     
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    If you use paint with isocyancurate's (spelling?) be very careful. A regular respirator won't filter them out. If you're painting outdoors, maybe not sucha big deal though. I've got a supplied air respirator that i wear when doing any painting with the iso stuff. It's not in the paint itself but the activator. Some people it doesn't seem to affect, I must be allergic to it.. The first (and last) time I sprayed with activated top cots, using a normal respirator and not a supplied air respirator, I ended up in the ER barely able to breath later that night. It was, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,scary.
    My theory on wearing a filter respirator and breathing is, you're always going to end up breathing some of your CO2 back in with every breath. Wearing one always makes me feel somewhat out of breath. Add in an infection and, the effect is multiplied. Just a theory though.
     
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    Camtron Well-Known Member

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    had pneumonia a couple years ago, now I seem to get something every time the weather starts to change. Crushed my ring finger under a hydraulic cylinder at work in July so I’m on lite duty at work. Can only stand so much rest and hobbling around. just want to feel like I’m back in the swing of things.
    The garage has a door on each end so I have it open when I’m sanding to help with dust, closed everything up before spraying primer. I have a cheap enamel top coat I need to put down still before I bother to pull it out of the garage.
    I already know I’ll be doing all this again to get a somewhat decent end result but this weekend was a good experience and eye opener...also found some rusted holes under the lower chrome trim on the the left rear quarter that go into the trunk, so I can get that patched up at work before i keep on with paint. Also figure out if I want to cut off the welded studs that secure the lower chrome trim. Car looks pretty clean with the trim off of it
     
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    A fresh air system/full hood is the only way to go. We all use them, but most of us miss the boat even with the proper equipment. When you take your hood off and go mix your clear, primer whatever, it's going straight into your body. You have no protection. When you uncap that hardener, that's the worst moment and if you don't have your hood on, it's accumulating in your body and breaking down your nervous system. Mix paint, clear, primer day after day with no protection because your hood and suit are next to the paint booth, YOU ARE GONNA PAY !!!
    Just so you know, it also goes in your eyes, ears, cuts in your skin etc. It's not funny at all. You know the old saying "Where do car painters hang out?"

    "The cemetery" Most didn't make it to 60
     
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    Noted. I have no intention of doing this professionally or even as a long term hobby, just a one off deal.
    I wear my respirator, goggles a hoodie and gloves when I spray anything and walk out of the garage before taking them off. I’ve only been working with spray cans so no mixing or anything but, I can definitely see where painters would slip up on PPE working out of the booth and just not really thinking about it.
     
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    If you're interested, I may do my own topic, but I'm taking one down to bare metal. It was stored since new and the building developed a few rain drips the last two years so it has surface rust spots on the hood and deck lid where the water got through the paint. It has been indoors since 1978 and the paint looks quite good, but it is actually no longer offering any protection.
     
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    I’d be interested.
    The main goal of my weekend was getting the rusted spots knocked down and treated with Ospho so, long term I’m in the same boat of needing to strip down to metal. I’m debating ordering some aircraft paint remover to speed the stripping process but from what I hear it can be difficult to get it out of all the nooks and crannies before anything can be sprayed.
     
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    " where do car paints hang out, the cemetery " lol I've never heard that i always thought it was the bar.:)
     
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    When an old (43 year old) body man dies they don't get a toe tag, they get a label with the paint and trim codes on the casket
     
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    Like I've said before I was in the trade for 45 years and I don't know of one body man that died from his trade. I do know of a few that died from alcoholism even more that were affected by it.
    Automotive paint has a few different forms of alcohol in it and constant exposure to it triggers the alcoholism.
     
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    Ospho was mentioned. I have used it on pitted metal mainly. Be careful as some epoxy primers will need it to be neutralized or a reaction can occur and not just then but later. I spray it on till metal is wet, let it dry a day, then come back and wet it again and neutralize it with water.
    I would stay away from rust ecapsulators on the body, grind off the rust, treat with Ospho if pitted, NEUTRALIZE the Ospho to be safe ,go to your epoxy primer, then body filler , like already mentioned use proper grits on blocking, urethane primer or limited thickness polyester primer, block till right, seal with reduced epoxy, top coat. Just my method.
    The problem is YOU never know if or how allergic you are to this nasty stuff till you use it. It can kill you.
     
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    Automotive paint has a few different forms of alcohol in it and constant exposure to it triggers the alcoholism.

    Never heard that before and I use all the wrong old paints in all the wrong ways but never have drank. Hmmmm maybe thats the key to living through painting? But really as an adverse effect I get is by time im refilling the gun with more paint the whole job seems to be going very smooth.
     
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    Sorta unrelated to paint. I raced quarter midgets back in the ‘70’s. The top class used Methanol for fuel. After a long race, I would be tipsy for a while – from the exhaust fumes.

    Never did start drinking though, so maybe that might be the missing link?
    BudW
     
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    Some people have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism that others don’t. Depending on the given medical information you get, 40-60% of alcoholism are genetic cases with the rest being mental/physical addiction. So if it’s in you, it’s in you. Idk enough about the chemical compositions of paints but if anything is alcohol based or has a chemical that travels the same pathway in the body as alcohol, it could totally lead someone with a genetic predisposition to alcoholism to drink.
    It’s nice to see you all putting PPE first in your responses though. I’ve always been a fan of it and aware of the long term consequences for as long as I’ve been working on equipment but that’s not to say I haven’t slipped up plenty. We used to spank out clutch brakes on tractors for Conway/XPO logistics buy cutting them out with a torch and replacing them with a two piece clutch brake. Nothing like the smell of burning asbestos; but you do dumb shit when you get trained by people too old to know better or really care and are working for a corporation just worried about down time.
     
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    Does anyone really want to see how efficient the body is at filtering toxins and poisons? Its not pretty, rather shocking.
     
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    Why would anyone want to get rid of surface rust? Just shoot some clear over it like they do on A$$ Monkey Garage and try to sell it for 3 times what it is worth. LOL.
     
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    “It’s not rust, bro. It’s patina” ...just happens to have a lot of rust like characteristics. Also, the car’s only held together by the roofline and one subframe rail; because patina. Now give me $10k for it
     
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    Rat Rod wankers, the HIV of auto shows and Craigslist
     
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    Patina is for antique furniture and bird baths in Monaco.

    Runaway rust is neglect
     
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    Someone mentioned you never know what you're allergic to until you have an allergic reaction to it is true. That's how I found out (the hard way) I'm allergic to isocyanurates (sp?). Since then, I don't even so much as look at the activator until I've got the paint suit, gloves, head sock and, most important, the fresh air respirator on and running. I look like I'm ready to go clean up a chemical spill, lol. Don't want to take ANY chances. That night in the ER 25 years ago is a memory I'll never forget. The doctor said if I'd have waited much longer to go to the ER, there's a good chance I could have,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well,,,,,,,,,,,,let's just say I wouldn't be here typing this now. Scary:eek: