Carpet for 4 speed wagon

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  1. old yellow 78

    old yellow 78 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, I FINALLY pulled the trigger and ordered the new carpet for OY tonight from Stock Interiors. I got the cutpile plush with mass backing in the 8296 Nutmeg color which is a close match for the original. I ordered the four speed, two door carpet, which I will cut under the seats to extend the rear portion back for the four door platform and then splice in a piece under the seats. I also ordered two units of "carpet by the yard" so that I can carpet the rear cargo section, re-carpet the cargo hatch doors that I got from the Oklahoma parts wagon, and also use some for the splice under the front seats. Now I have to find all my interior parts that I have been collecting. First, the plaid 60/40 seats and door panels. I also have nice A pillar covers, crack free dash cap, duel speaker metal dash top, nice woodgrain gauge bezel, duel speaker rear hatch panel, digital clock, and a nice AM/FM CB transceiver to replace the AM CB that OY came with. Somewhere, I even still have the little amber "reverse warning light" that I kept from my first F wagon way back when. Even though they weren't used in '78, I'd still like to put it in lower dash where the '76 & some '77's had it. I want to have the cargo windows and rear door windows tinted too. I also want to use some type of insulation under the carpets and behind the panels. I'm going to check out JustWondering's suggestion above of the insulation from Home Depot:
    UltraTouch 48 in. x 24 ft. Radiant Barrier-30000-11424 - The Home Depot
    I also have been checking out the sound deadener from "Roadkill".
    All this is a lot, but obviously, I'm in no hurry. It will just be good to finally start on it.
     
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    Great to hear,Give that wagon some love.
     
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    I've been involved in projects that the owner wanted full coverage of Dynomat, roof, door skins, inner quarters and full floors, there had to be 300lbs + of insulation in the cabin.
     
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    If a person is removing the carpet and/or headliner on any older car, I HIGHLY recommend taking the time and expense to add some version of noise insulation to car. The Home Depot product (mentioned above) is one example. It is well worth the time and expense to do (IMO).
    You will notice the difference on your first long trip!
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    Nah, that's overkill. I just want to make OY more like a Special Edition would have been. I don't think OY has much in the way of insulation. It has more road noise than I remember in any of my other F's, but then I've never had a base F before.
     
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    Well, I got the "mass backing" upgrade for the carpet, and I plan on using the insulation that Justwondering suggested, or something like it as well under the carpet and perhaps behind the door panels, but not sure how to secure it in place on the vertical surfaces - whether to use spray glue, or insulation tape. The "Roadkill Stinger" sound deadener I read about online seems to be used mainly by audiophiles in their cars, but I saw this short YouTube video of it and was duly impressed. Depending on how expensive it is, I may use that for the doors.

    I am hoping that the carpet comes early next week because I have a few days off and would like to finally get to this! :)
     
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    I totally agree that all the Dynomat was over the top but the doors sure sounded nice when closing.
     
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    Yep. That's the sound I'm looking for. I wonder if all the Dynomat that people layer into their cars eventually might cause damage if someone ever tries to take it back out. Does the glue pull off all the paint or leave residue all over everything?
     
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    I would think it's like removing a fully glued linoleum floor, a P.I.T.A..
     
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    Ooh. I don't like the sound of that. I think the stuff Justwondering suggests and some foil tape might be the way I go.
     
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    I would think the only time it would be a problem is when doing bodywork, my problem with it is the cost and weight.
    Dynamat is
     
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    I have some experience on “sound deadening” material from helping others – but not installed any for my own projects (yet).

    I do know there are several manufacturers and several types of material to use.
    Some you spray the material in – like an undercoating inside of the car, inside doors, etc. I don’t think the spray type is for me.
    The other kinds (not sure of brand names or manufactures) range from thin to thick (about ¼” think) but most (I assume) is about 1/8” thick. Some use self-attached peel-off tape in about every 6-inches, some you peal the entire backing off – like peel-and-stick floor tile (again – not my preference), some you use spray-on adhesive (so as much or as little as you want). Some come with no tape or adhesive (use your own, if wanted).
    Some types easily mold into the surface by pushing into the nooks and crannies, others are stiffer. Some areas like under carpet, I don’t think any adhesive is needed.

    About 6-7 years ago, I started a spreadsheet of different kinds (and prices) of sound barrier for use for my diesel pickup (and my Fifth Ave) and found about twenty plus different products, then. The bad news was due to hard drive crash – and that data was lost (many years ago).

    I do know that adding a small layer under carpet and under the headliner makes a huge improvement. I can only imagine what adding it inside doors, behind back seat and so forth, can do to a car.

    A distant friend did a massive job to his ‘95 Dodge diesel pickup (not 300 pounds worth, though) and he said it is quiet as a mouse inside.
    My stock ’97 diesel pickup – after driving thirty minutes, your ears are ringing after a drive because of the noise.
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    I drove the Fifth avenue to town today (50 mile round trip) and was ever so thankful I put that insulation in the car above the headliner. Almost 100 out there today and there was no heat transfer into the car while driving.

    Had some of it left over so it went onto the rear end of the golf cart today and I'll add some under the seats tomorrow.

    I do believe it comes in different widths and thicknesses.
    I'm considering something like that for the doors and will probably use the 'nook & cranny' with limited double stick tape on it. Needs to be thin enough not to interfere with the window mechanism or the door looking mechanism.

    JW
     
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    I'd like to be able to put the insulation above the headliner, but I don't want to even try to get that huge one piece chunk of cardboard out of there. I don't know where I would ever find another if it broke. OY doesn't have A/C anyway, so it would be hot no matter if it's there or not.
    I had wondered about how to put insulation in the doors too. Originally, I thought of putting it inside the door, attached to the back of the outer door skin, but there is not much room to work in there or access it. So, probably just put it either over or under the vapor barrier on the inside behind the door panel. Like you say though, can't be too thick there.
     
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    Whoo Hoo! Checked with UPS tracking, and my carpet is due to be delivered tomorrow! So, I guess I better get ready with some insulation and getting the bench seats out of OY. I want to fully clean EVERYTHING, so I expect this to take some time. I want to first use upholstery cleaner on the plaid 60/40 seats that are going back in, and on the plaid door panels. I'm hoping to find the build sheet under the carpet maybe. I also am hoping that the plaid 1977 passenger seat track will fit my 1978 car. We'll see about that too. I'm not sure if they changed the catalytic floor hump between those two years. If I am able to get out to Carlisle, I want to pick up a new shifter boot too as mine has a small tear. Looking forward to this - been waiting a LONG time, so I'm not going to hurry - I want to enjoy this and do it right.
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    Cool,Keep us updated
     
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    Carpet came yesterday. Boxes were pretty beat up with some holes ripped into them, likely courtesy of UPS.

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    Expected better for almost $80 shipping.

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    I'm having a hard time finding the "Radiant Barrier" and the sound deadener material. Went to Lowes, who only has the bubble type insulation, and then Home Depot for the "Radiant Barrier," and found out that it is only available online. I'd like to actually SEE it before I buy it, but I'm not sure I have a choice. Rock Auto and Pep Boys don't seem to have either. Not sure where I could get "Dynomat", as I haven't seen that anywhere either. Have to look around more. Probably have to get this all online.
     
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    I wonder how they ever got them in there at the factory? The earlier ones were two piece, but I think in '78 and after, they were just one single huge piece of board.
     
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    I unbolted the seat belts, removed the sill plates, kick panels, and removed the seats. Not difficult at all, and didn't take very long. Amazing the bench seat is only held in with four bolts with 1/2 inch nuts. That's it. The carpet was worse than I had thought. It wasn't very worn, but dry rotted in the rear, and tore just pulling it up. My previous half serious idea of trying to patch the cigarette burns and salvage the carpet was a bad idea. It was just completely shot.

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    The seat bottom and carpet was ruined by the original owner who had a love for cigarettes and bad ashtray aim.

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    The seat back was also ruined by the original owner, reportedly a rotund elderly woman, by rolling herself in and out of the car and using her elbow for support, jamming it in the middle of the seat back - causing the ripping. Thus, the need for new seats and new carpet.

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